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November 10th, 2011, 7:18 pm

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Reply Vilecheese, November 10th, 2011, 7:18 pm

Season 9 of SWSU's Survivor series is here! Okay, enough of the formalities, let's get this edgic on the road.

Finale updated! Bonnie's ranking for the finale/overall is as such because the entire point of her edit seemed to be not to make her one-note or complex, but just to make her negative. Thus, I give her a Negative overall. I don't care if it makes no sense whatsoever, she doesn't deserve it.

Character Rankings!

#20. Bonnie: SWSU wanted her to be hated and boy did he succeed. Even though it seems he made her a lousy character on purpose to provide a maximum amount of satisfaction to the ending...she's still a lousy character. It also seemed to me that a good portion of the characters in this season were cast just to be victims of hers, and as a result got shafted edit and development-wise. Yeah...I hated it when Russell did that too.

#19. Mercy: Irrelevant, unfunny, pointless...really there's nothing to say about her except *moan*.

#18. Donovan: Okay, he got put above Mercy for his "checkmate" line, but that doesn't excuse him for being an asshole to people for the pettiest of reasons. I don't even have a problem with assholes usually, I just hate the ones who like to think they're on the moral high ground and are treated that way by the edit, and that, my friends, is exactly what Donovan does. Hypocrisy FTL.

#17. Gretchen: She was basically Bonnie but less of a caricature. Which is why she got screwed over. I do feel sorry for Frank15 though, for having SWSU basically say "My character is better than yours, HA!"

#16. Zachary: Only lasted one episode, would've been annoying if he lasted any longer. He gets a huge resounding MEH.

#15. Summer: Another MEH. I'll give her the edge over Zach because she was never annoying, just dull.

#14. Robert: Watching him getting tortured by Donovan when he did nothing wrong whatsoever and Donovan not getting called out for it...really isn't my sense of humor. I wish he was more of a parody of boring people...like that part in episode 4 where he was ranting about golems. That was the only time I liked him.

#13. Brenton: He's similar to Iraenus for me, just not as bad. Up until around episode 9-10 he was hilarious, but by the time Madison left so did his main source of humor, and he kinda became awful.

#12. Kathy: I suppose we needed a strategist like her to move the plot forward. Eh...I've said my opinion on her before. She's CP toneless strategybot, I have no real opinion on those.

#11. Adrian: Now let's look at some characters who got screwed over by their roles being overshadowed by Bonnie. Adrian seemed to defy the negative expectations for his character, and he could've made a great winner...or at least a great tragic hero. But of course, Bonnie had to not only be successful at framing him, but also do it without even one person having any suspicions shown (why keep Frank's suspicion secret until FTC?) So we ended up with Adrian looking pathetic in his final episode.

#10. Jocasta: Ugh, so much potential to be a CPP-OTTP blend sweetheart. But she decides to turn CPM at the merge...okay? Her high-energy confessionals were her highlight.

#9. Ieaeka: Screwed by Bonnie #2. She used freaking MAGIC on Survivor...I mean, I can't even imagine the possibilities with this character. So she uses it to...tag onto an alliance...and then, of course, she ends up with a MOR toneless boot episode to show how much of a genius Bonnie is. Wasted potential ;_;.

#8. Starr: Ugh, this character was the ultimate tease. For the longest time I thought she'd be the OTTP sweetheart who'd be a big part of beating the villain I've been craving for this season ever since Bonnie stopped being UTRP...then she turned N and got voted out by Bonnie being brilliant again. No me gusta.

#7. Sanza: Really boring premerge, but he started improving so much post-merge, that I actually wouldn't have minded the predictable player winning for once. He was snarky, made epic moves, and yet managed to stay classy at the end.

#6. Aleksan: Wasted potential #3. WHY would you give someone whose leg was broken and showed such deep determination such a low-key edit? He should've at least gotten a better boot episode, like OTTPP4 or something. Genuinely nice, classy, and exceeded my expectations for an Immunity hog. Should be a lock for Second Chances, where he can truly shine.

#5. Frank: Unlike the others he wasn't screwed by the edit at all...actually, he probably got too much screentime for what he brought to the season. Having a sexist who is a sexist not because he's a bad person, but simply because he's misinformed is a great idea (though I suppose Al did this too? He still wasn't shown as a good person despite it though). It helps that he led the most likeable on-paper alliance, and chewed out Bonnie the most in the end.

#4. Madison: HILARIOUS character...premerge. Why did she lose her hilarity postmerge? And why did Brenton have to outlast her? She was what made him funny.

#3. Tofuchao: The only problem I had with him was that he ended up being largely irrelevant, which made him lasting so long seem like he was taking the place of a character who could've created a bigger impact to the endgame. But despite this, Tofu really was a lot of fun. Very snarky, with very take-no-prisoners gameplay all wrapped up in a cute UTR package with a funny name.

#2. Jewel: WTF, how did she make it up here? Well, I guess it's because she never disappointed me, which was a major problem for me with this season; people turning into disappointments in some fashion. Jewel was very interesting, having 0 social skills but always trying to get into people's good graces. Plus her quarrels with Cherman were really great. And unlike most of the other characters, Bonnie actually helped make her more entertaining, having her go on a rampage of accusations after getting framed.

#1. Cherman: Who else could it be? Cherman was adorable and hilarious from start to finish, despite his edit. Though I don't think he makes for the best winner and would've liked to see him make it onto Season 10 instead, I'm willing to forgive him because he's still such a terrific character with an amazing underdog story.

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User's Comments:

Reply bennyboy, November 12th, 2011, 2:34 pm

Just a question - what do you define OTT as on these Edgic's?

Reply Vilecheese, November 12th, 2011, 5:20 pm

@bennyboy: OTTs in edgic are typically one-note, meaning all a character talks about is one thing, or is defined by one characteristic, or exaggerated/crazy, like a cartoon character.

Edit: Wow, jinx.

Reply Slicer37, November 12th, 2011, 5:20 pm

@bennyboy: Over The Top people, loud, simplified, one-note. Examples: Craig, Gatemaster, Johnny, Iraenus, Mary, Issac, etc.

Reply Slicer37, November 12th, 2011, 5:22 pm

@Vilecheese: LOL at us giving him the explanation at the exact same time.

Reply Slicer37, November 14th, 2011, 9:55 pm

Looking back, I thought Adrian was toneless. He didn't do much other than say he was a playa, and I don't think that's enough for an N.

I'll change him next ep.

Reply bennyboy, November 20th, 2011, 10:56 am

The funniest thing I've read so far is how the only stated reason you've eliminated Mercy as a contender is because she had an INV episode XD

Reply Vilecheese, November 20th, 2011, 11:49 am

@bennyboy: XD. Don't worry, I had her eliminated in episode 1 for being a moaning killer zombie.

Reply SP (Guest), December 3rd, 2011, 8:08 pm

Tofu's still in?

Reply Vilecheese, December 4th, 2011, 10:51 am

@SP: Clearly, since he's a secret supervillain mastermind and all. :3

Reply bennyboy, December 9th, 2011, 8:18 pm

I still don't see the appeal of Kathy as a winner - Jocosta, Adrian, Summer, everyone else you've chosen as a winner possibility, they've all had insight into their characters. As for Kathy, who is she? She's basically this season's Sophie, only on a higher rung in her alliance and with more screentime. I can't see a strategybot like her winning, unless her edit gets more insight in the next few episodes, which I guess you're relying on?

I'm predicting she'll be the first screwed by the tribal swap, like Jaquie in Gabon.

Reply Vilecheese, December 10th, 2011, 10:53 am

@bennyboy: She told us who she was in her first confessional, actually.

Reply Slicer37, December 18th, 2011, 10:43 pm

I don't see the M for Adrian at all, to me he was P/PP. He was framed of rape for crying out loud!

Reply Slicer37, December 18th, 2011, 10:45 pm

In other news, Ieakea is a man hating sexist.

Reply Vilecheese, December 18th, 2011, 10:53 pm

@Slicer37: He was firmly N at TC for defending himself horribly to the point where he would appear guilty even to the people who were on his side.

And I just think Ikea jumps to conclusions too quickly.

Reply Slicer37, December 18th, 2011, 10:57 pm

@Vilecheese: Yeah...but false rape accusation victim! In the real world, Prescilla could've gotten Adrian life in prison.

I prefer my version of Ieakea.

Oh, and Sophie won, BTW.

Reply Vilecheese, December 18th, 2011, 11:04 pm

@Slicer37: Yeah, I know...

Has there ever been a MOR toneless winner in ANYTHING before?

Reply Slicer37, December 18th, 2011, 11:07 pm

@Vilecheese: Um...I don't think so.

Reply Feniks, December 19th, 2011, 6:51 am

Ikea is just like Frank.

Reply Slicer37, December 19th, 2011, 10:01 am

@Feniks: "nods in agreement."

Reply bennyboy, December 29th, 2011, 1:23 am

I'm in totally agreeance (that's a word totally) with Sanza. He'd make a fantastic winner, one we haven't really seen in a while. I'd probably get rid of Kathy though - she's getting played like a proverbial fiddle under Prescilla's fingers and she's none the wiser. I don't think that'd make a good winner.

Reply Slicer37 (Guest), December 29th, 2011, 2:45 am

@bennyboy: Actually, Kathy made a reallly good move. She went from 4th of her alliance to swing vote while taking out a threat. Great move.

Reply bennyboy, December 29th, 2011, 3:16 am

@Slicer37: Keep telling yourself that - Tofuchao was the swing vote this episode, not her.

And I still have no idea who she is besides that she likes reality shows.

Reply mydoctor93, December 29th, 2011, 6:47 am

@bennyboy: ...so you're saying that Tofuchao should be taking all the credit when Kathy came up with that move in the first place? Tofu was foreshadowed earlier in the episode to flip if given the chance, anyway.

Also, I'm not sure what you see in Sanza that I don't, because as far as I see it, he still needs quite a bit of character development to be a well-liked winner (the lack of which probably explains why his only trope is his sideburns XD), even if the same probably holds for everyone else on the list right now.

Reply bennyboy, December 29th, 2011, 9:23 am

@mydoctor93: I never said anything like that. Sure, credit Kathy for the move if you want. Credit Kathy for being a pawn to Prescilla, the move getting rid of a solid alliance member. All I'm saying is that Tofuchao could have easily taken either side. That's why he was the swing vote.

And if he hasn't had much character established, that /can/ be a good thing. You want your hero to have a long-reaching arc that can last an entire story, it's plain sense. If we knew way too much about him then I'd be worried.

Reply mydoctor93, December 29th, 2011, 10:31 am

@bennyboy: I said that mainly because I was thinking you thought the move was awful, and you do, although not exactly for the reasons I thought when I made that comment.

I personally think that the move itself was logical on Kathy's part; Ieaeka, whom Kathy trusted, apparently had an idol without telling anyone, which in her eyes made her a possibly disloyal threat. Getting out such a threat with an idol, nearing merge time, is definitely a good choice when a) said threat is the fifth wheel of the alliance and b) the alliance still outnumbers the opposition 4:2 anyway. Now for the "pawn" part. I don't really think that it necessarily devalues Kathy's move since a) it's not like Sanza or Jocasta, had they been the "pawns", would happen to think that the idol was fake, and b) I'm not sure if Kathy being a "pawn" is that of a big deal when everyone right now is falling for Prescilla's nice girl persona and it's... well, not really being used to insult anyone's intelligence.

About the other topic, I'm guessing that we'll then have to be patient for the episode where Sanza's character happens to develop.

Reply bennyboy, December 29th, 2011, 7:29 pm

@mydoctor93: Do you know what other move was thought to be logical by the person at the time they did it? JT giving his immunity idol to Russell. He fell for a supposed womens alliance when in reality there was none. Did that stop him giving Russell the idol being declared one of the dumbest moves in the show's history? No. You can't defend a character because they're being fooled, they're still doing dumb moves.

Reply mydoctor93, December 29th, 2011, 11:22 pm

@bennyboy: J.T. tried to control what happened on the opposite tribe based on only assumptions.

On the other hand, Kathy tried to control what happened on her own tribe, not based on an assumption that Ieaeka had the idol, but based on solid proof - the supposed idol.

I'm not sure if you're right in directly comparing those two moves.

Reply bennyboy, December 31st, 2011, 12:23 am

@mydoctor93: The only difference is for some reason people are defending Kathy's move. Ieakea never had the idol. Prescilla framed her, Kathy's falling for it. Kathy is getting played here and people are applauding her for voting out a solid alliance member. Just because in Kathy's mind, Ieakea wasn't solid, it doesn't mean her move was good. It was stupid.

Reply Slicer37, December 31st, 2011, 9:47 am

@bennyboy: But Sanza and Jocasta fell for it too. They thought Ieakea had the idol, but they still wanted to keep her, which is unbelievably stupid.

And I'll say it again: Kathy went from 4th out of a 5th person alliance to the swing vote in her tribe. Regardless of it was a dumb plan ir not, she got rid of a huge threat while improving her position. Just because you want a predictable Pagoning doesn't mean everyone else does.

Reply bennyboy, December 31st, 2011, 10:15 am

@Slicer37: I don't know how the /hell/ you interpret my comments, but let me just blast a lot of those to hell:

First, despite me not mentioning Sanza and Joc, I don't get how wanting to keep the character with the idol is stupid. A member of your alliance having an idol is not stupid, unless you live with a control freak - just ask Parvati. If anything, an idol is a great asset to the alliance, since they could hypothetically use it if it was real (which unfortunately it wasn't). Kathy is the one being a control freak and apparently needs to know everything. If I was in Ikea's* position with an annoying control freak like her I wouldn't tell her either. She must be annoying to live with for 39 days. (and don't you dare try and argue her live-with-ability, because that was an idle comment with no bearing on the situation)

Second, Aeiouka* WASN'T A THREAT. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. IKEAEKA. WASN'T. A. THREAT. Prescilla is the only real threat here, since she's the villain. Ikea* and Kathy were/are pawns! Ikeaeka* was a solid alliance member, and Kathy only voted her out because she's being fooled! Prescilla got Kathy to vote out a member of her own alliance! She is not a mastermind, she is being /played like a fiddle/. Call her the swing vote all you want, it doesn't change the fact she's being duped by the villain. Yes, she doesn't know what we know, but we shouldn't defend her because of that! We know that Prescilla planned this entire thing out, and as such we shouldn't be applauding Kathy's decision, because it was ridiculous! She's not clever, she's being an idiot and dismantling her own alliance with the decision-making skills of Lex's gut!

And third, Pagonging? It's not even the merge yet! If you mean the voting out of the original Carbo members, I preferred Starr staying over Vowel*, since she has much more potential, but the only thing I'm annoyed at is people salivating over a stupid stupid move that Kathy made, essentially splitting the Latrines in two because she's a freaking control maniac who needs to know everything.

So, in summary - Kathy dismantled her alliance because she's a control freak who's being played by Prescilla. She's not a "HBICMastermind~~~" or "CPPGod.dess" or whatever the hell you want to call her on smackjeeves or deviantart, she's a pawn because she was the only one who headed her vote out. Even vilecheese had the sense to note that this was not a good episode for her, and he's the one who uses double-negatives and triple-positives in his edgic! Jocasta and Sanza had the sense to try and keep her. Kathy started the whole thing and drew Tofuchao, a good character who I had high hopes for, in. She shouldn't be applauded for dismantling her alliance. She should be shamed. Gamebots who do stupid things should never be applauded.

*And I didn't even bother learning to spell Ieaeka or whatever her name is's name, cause holy carp that's hard.

Reply Vilecheese, December 31st, 2011, 11:15 am

@bennyboy: Hey, don't insult my double and triple tones. :(

My opinion on this whole argument: based on what she knew, Kathy played it pretty smart. But technically she was tricked, and Ieaeka wasn't really a threat. So I'm in the middle, sort of.

Reply Slicer37, December 31st, 2011, 11:20 am

@bennyboy: First of all, I never called Kathy a goddess or a CP mastermind. I actually find her to be boring and an strategybot. I'm simply arguing about her move.

First of all, yes, Ieakea is a threat. Why did
Prescilla plant the idol on her in the first place?Because she was a threat with her magical abilities. She can read minds, feel if she's safe
or not, and eavesdrop on people. That is a threat. You can very well say that Prescilla is the only threat because she's the villian, but
you're forgetting one thing; NONE OF THE
CAST KNOWS THAT YET. You act like Kathy and the rest of the cast are reading SFC9 and
know all about the item burning and false rape. They don't know, and you can't call Kathy
stupid for not knowing that, because no one knows.

As for Sanza, you can't call him smart for that,
because his whole stick is too not want to rock the boat. If he had a F3 deal with Lucky and Driz, he would not want to get rid of them for
being jury threats because that would be against plan. He didn't want too even find the
idol with Kathy in Episode 4 because thought THEY DIDN'T NEED IT. Genius player, right there. His whole strategy is to do nothing, and
you can't call that smart because he was too lazy to take out a threat that he thought had the idol.

And thirdly, Russell has nothing to do with this. Imagine that Kathy and Tofu vote out Starr. If the latrines somehow get too the final 5, she can use that idol. Also remember that Ieakea was not in the original Latrines, she was brought in later just so they could have a majority in Amarti after Mercy went. That's not a super trusted alliance member that you have a F2 deal with.

Kathy's move was not the best move ever, and it does have the potential to backfire on her. I'm not disputing that. But comparing it to JT's move of GIVING THE OTHER TRIBE AN IDOL JUST BEFORE THE MERGE is ridiculous. And please stop acting like the cast knows the same things you do. That's like saying the PI cast was stupid to believe the JFP grandma lie, or Ozzy and James could have somehow foresaw Paravati making a female alliance in FvsF.

Reply Slicer37, December 31st, 2011, 11:32 am

Sorry for the margins.

Reply bennyboy, December 31st, 2011, 11:48 am

@Slicer37: That kinda wasn't directed towards you, that was mostly towards the idiots I see on Deviantart; I kinda got carried away there - anyone who seriously calls her stuff like that needs to be prevented from accessing a keyboard though.

I reckon we need to get on the same page here - I'll come to your page, you come to mine, etc etc, cause it's way easier to do that then just fight endlessly. I'm calming down, anyway.

I will concede that in the manner you describe, she was a potential threat. But the manner you describe is not why Kathy headed her boot. Kathy wanted her out simply because of an immunity idol, and instead of getting rid of the original Carbo members before investigating it, she chose to eliminate her. It's a long game, I'm sure they would have grilled her to death about the idol, and she would have broken eventually if she did have it. To Kathy, she was a threat. But the thing is, she was not a threat in reality in this manner. Sure, she was a potential down-the-road threat in regards to the magic thing, but in the manner of the idol and/or potential secret keeping? The reality is she was no threat.

And I'm sorry, but parallels need to be drawn between this move and the idol move. I'm not saying they're on the same /level/ of ridiculousness, but there are parallels. Both involve the villain duping the good guys. To the Heroes, Russell was a helpless victim. To NuCarbo, Prescilla's a precious little girl. In both their minds, the subject here is not a threat. But the audience knows that the subject in question is a threat. This does not make them any less of a threat to the other characters. They're not conscious threats, but they're still threats. Now these moves - to JT and the Heroes, giving away the idol was a move that could potentially have pulled in Russell to their side, because in their minds he was on the wrong side of the numbers. To Kathy, getting rid of Ieaeka gets rid of a threat with a hidden immunity idol because in her mind she was trying to dupe them. In reality, the Heroes gave the enemy an idol. In reality, Kathy was getting rid of a free vote that didn't have the idol, and they could have duped and dumped her at the Final 5 anyway. They're both risky risky moves that have endless potential to backfire. The Heroes move did. We will definitely see if Kathy's does too.

I made it clear in my last post that I'm well aware the cast don't know the same things we do. Hell, I'm making it clear now. Kathy's move, on the assumed knowledge level and the meta "what we know and she doesn't" level, was ridiculous - wouldn't say stupid, since she does have opportunity, I'm conceding that - but it was still ridiculous. The move cannot be glorified.

Reply Slicer37, December 31st, 2011, 12:08 pm

@bennyboy: I honestly think we should just wait untill Kathy is eliminated before we make any more judgements.

Reply mydoctor93, December 31st, 2011, 6:49 pm

@Slicer37: Agreed. I guess we'll have to see if the move happens to backfire.

Reply gejo (Guest), January 3rd, 2012, 12:52 pm

yo bennybitch, next time you have an issue with someone don't go on fuckin smackjeeves to bitch bout them k?

Reply mydoctor93, January 7th, 2012, 10:20 pm

Just a question: what do you think about the possibility that Robert's going to be the winner? (You know, a certain someone's top edgic pick?)

Also, I don't think that that many people were OTT; I have some of them as CPs.

Reply Slicer37, January 7th, 2012, 10:20 pm

I don't think Alaskean was OTTP.

Just because someone got injured doesn't mean there OTT. I have him as MORP.

Reply Slicer37, January 7th, 2012, 10:22 pm

@mydoctor93: Well considering Vile's eliminated Robert, I think you can guess what his view point is.

Reply Vilecheese, January 7th, 2012, 10:22 pm

@mydoctor93: My thoughts on Robert winning? Lolno.

Reply mydoctor93, January 7th, 2012, 10:22 pm

@Slicer37: Guess so.

Reply Vilecheese, January 7th, 2012, 10:24 pm

@Slicer37: He's definitely somewhere in the area...I went with the OTT due to those "inspirational I want to stay in the game" confessionals before Tribal.

Reply Slicer37, January 7th, 2012, 10:25 pm

@Vilecheese: How is wanting to stay in the game OTT?

Reply Vilecheese, January 7th, 2012, 10:27 pm

@Slicer37: It's a cliche thing that people with injuries do.

Reply Slicer37, January 7th, 2012, 10:31 pm

@Vilecheese: And it's a chiche thing for edgicans to give someone OTTP just because they got injured.

Reply bennyboy, January 7th, 2012, 10:33 pm

@gejo: Wow, "bennybitch", I can see you're the top of your English class. Such creative naming.

And I have no issues with anyone on here. For all I know you're very nice people. I just had an issue with their argument.

Reply Vilecheese, January 7th, 2012, 10:36 pm

@bennyboy: ...He's Italian.

Reply Vilecheese, January 7th, 2012, 10:37 pm

@Slicer37: Mmm, chiche...

Seriously, it wasn't just because he was injured.

Reply bennyboy, January 7th, 2012, 10:37 pm

@Vilecheese: So that automatically makes it a creative and insightful insult?

Reply bennyboy, January 7th, 2012, 10:39 pm

@Vilecheese: Only half the injury episodes have been OTTP though - Mike, Bruce, Jonathan and Russell. The rest have all been MOR, P at best.

Reply Vilecheese, January 7th, 2012, 10:39 pm

@bennyboy: No. But I've seen gejo go on massive rants about people telling him to improve his English, so...

Reply Slicer37, January 7th, 2012, 10:43 pm

@bennyboy: How many other injury episodes are there. James and...that's it, just James.

Reply bennyboy, January 7th, 2012, 10:45 pm

@Slicer37: There's been a lot. Just not recently, since they're a lot more careful.

Reply Slicer37, January 7th, 2012, 10:47 pm

@bennyboy: Those are the only 5 people to get medvaced in Survivor history, IIRC.

Oh, and Trent was medvaced too, and people gave him OTTPP despite the fact that he did nothing OTT so...yeah,

Reply bennyboy, January 7th, 2012, 10:48 pm

@Slicer37: Mike, Bruce, Papa Smurf, Jonathan, James, Joe, Mike, Russell. Out of all eight of them, only 4 got OTTP.

Reply Feniks, January 8th, 2012, 1:36 am

I guess giving such confessions when your leg is fucking broken is a bit over the top.

Reply Slicer37, January 8th, 2012, 1:40 am

@Feniks: Sheesh...

Reply Feniks, January 8th, 2012, 1:52 am

@Slicer37:
I do not understand OTTs behind Frank, Robert and Cherman though.

Reply gejo (Guest), January 8th, 2012, 6:27 am

bennybitch uh, i can call you whatever the fuck i want, and you sure as hell can get more creative with your answers. i'm guessing you weren't at the top of your art class, you unoriginal waste of space???
and uhm, nxt time you criticize my english, please answer in a different language as well as i do. i'm guessing you can't since you're more than likely retarded, which is nothing to be ashamed of, its just how it is.

and this edgic is ridiculous. we all know brentons winning

Reply Vilecheese, January 8th, 2012, 9:48 am

@Feniks:

Frank: Shown to be overly loyal. Kept giving the idol to Brenton, refused to eat cake without Aleksan, etc.

Robert: Spending half the episode naked, hysterical confessionals about his "bad luck".

Cherman: OTTP confessional at the beginning about being accepted and seemingly blowing a fuse in excitement, OTTN "cake is a lie" joke that no one thought was funny. Could be UTRM though.

Reply bennyboy, January 11th, 2012, 8:42 pm

lol @gejo: I can see your logic there - "If you can only speak one language, you are retarded." I haven't seen such a compelling argument since I had a criticism on Sucks regarding the character of Sash torn apart based on the fact that I was a new person.

Well, Saya akan memiliki Anda tahu bahwa saya tahu Bahasa Indonesia ever since I was four, Italiano da quando ho quattordici anni, and I can speak flawless ASL. Having a brother born deaf does that. I can't really type out hand movements, so you can just imagine me telling you I've been doing that all my life.

And I'm not trying to be creative with my answers. Being creative in a conversation with someone across the internet is for attentionwhores with nothing better to do. If I really wanted to be creative this argument would be over.

Reply cRaZyKiD9219 (Guest), January 14th, 2012, 8:27 pm

^lol

Reply Tinyhammer (Guest), February 7th, 2012, 8:30 am

...May I be rude and call "No"?

Come on, SWSU had already had someone win when everything had fallen into her lap, I doubt that she would let her win.

Prescilla's edit is all leading to a MAJOR downfall. I am sure of it. Don't worry.

Reply Vilecheese, February 7th, 2012, 9:54 am

@Tinyhammer: I thought her edit was leading to a downfall for the past nine episodes...but this episode really seemed to hint that she doesn't have one. I hope this is wrong, but it is what it looks like.

Reply SSBFreak (Guest), February 7th, 2012, 8:47 pm

I'm still not sure about Prescilla/Bonnie being the winner, even with the edit she's been getting.

I have to agree with Tiny. I think she's being set up for a major blindside late in the game. I think that, if SWSU was going for a complete WTF-style winner, he'd have someone like Cherman or Tofu win because that would REALLY be out of left field.

Reply bennyboy, February 7th, 2012, 10:13 pm

Yeah, SWSU already had the villainous woman win last season. She's shaping up to be one of the best villains he's ever written (Yeah yeah, call her a Villain Sue all you want, that's how she's shaping up), so that can only mean that she's going to have an epic downfall at the end. You just have to wait. The first villain had his downfall only recently, and now it's Prescilla's turn. It will come, and I guarantee you it will be humiliating and epic.

EDIT: Oh hey, Kathy's removed from the winner picks at least, now that I can approve of.

Reply Vilecheese, February 7th, 2012, 11:46 pm

@SSBFreak: I have a bad feeling the left field here would be Bonnie not having a downfall. Even after getting discovered.

SWSU even hinted at it in the beginning. "She may not have a downfall."

Reply Vilecheese, February 7th, 2012, 11:47 pm

@bennyboy: Uh...Zachary had a downfall in episode 1.

And yeah, near OTTN killed Kathy.

Reply bennyboy, February 8th, 2012, 2:05 am

@Vilecheese: Well, you can't really call Zachary a villain - he didn't /do/ anything. He just sort of acted cocky for an episode then got voted out. I was kind of referring to Frank.

Reply Slicer37, February 8th, 2012, 8:47 am

@bennyboy: Could you consider Gretchen a villain? Because she had a downfall.

Reply Vilecheese, February 8th, 2012, 10:28 am

@bennyboy: How is Frank a villain? Other than the sexism he was a pretty nice guy.

Reply bennyboy, February 8th, 2012, 10:34 am

@Slicer37: I'm not sure which Gretchen you're talking about (show or SFC), so I'll just say that neither. The two terms can be mutually exclusive. A wise man once taught me that in order to be a villain, you must have some sort of downfall at the end of your story. If you don't have a fall that comes along with the rise to villainy, you're an anti-hero. It's like if Jonny Fairplay had won Pearl Islands. Neither Gretchen had a rise to villainy, so their downfall is a tragedy against the alliance/The Alliance, not the end of a villain's story.

@Vilecheese: I guess it's a matter of interpretation. He seemed kinda villainous to me, but I'll concede to your point.

Reply Slicer37, February 9th, 2012, 5:31 pm

@bennyboy: So Brian Heidik is not a villian?

Reply bennyboy, February 10th, 2012, 12:51 pm

@Slicer37: A cold sociopathic puppy-shooter who probably has not spoken to anyone in the cast since the reunion, but in the context of Thailand he was an anti-hero.

Reply mydoctor93, February 10th, 2012, 5:13 pm

@bennyboy: So according to your (or, should I say, the wise man's) logic there's no such thing as a "winning villain". Correct?

Reply bennyboy, February 10th, 2012, 5:19 pm

@mydoctor93: Most of the time. Any good TV-editor knows that you want your winner to be root-for-able (not sure if that's a word, but whatever) to the casual audience, otherwise they'll feel cheated at the end if the most unlikeable character wins.

Reply Vilecheese, February 10th, 2012, 10:41 pm

@bennyboy: People can root for villains, can't they?

Reply bennyboy, February 11th, 2012, 12:42 am

@Vilecheese: Well yeah, you can obviously, I've rooted for the villain quite a few times since I've watched the show. I'm just talking about from the point of view of a casual viewer (or in the case of SFC, reader) - if you asked an amalgamation of a casual fan, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who rooted for NaOnka or Jerri (1st time) when their respective seasons were aired.

Reply Slicer37, February 11th, 2012, 7:33 am

@bennyboy: But 95% of casuals rooted for Russell.

Reply bennyboy, February 11th, 2012, 8:15 pm

@Slicer37: Exactly - he was an anti-hero. Villains don't win Fan-Favourite.

Reply Vilecheese, February 11th, 2012, 10:33 pm

@bennyboy: Last time I checked, Russell was on a tribe called "Villains". I don't recall there being an Anti-Heroes tribe.

Reply bennyboy, February 11th, 2012, 10:34 pm

@Vilecheese: Because that's totally an airtight way of determining ones villain-ness. As we all know, Sandra was the villain of Pearl Islands, and Candice was the brave hero of Cook Islands. Like I said, villains don't win fan favourite.

Reply Slicer37, February 11th, 2012, 11:19 pm

@bennyboy: You do realize Candice was on because they wanted a hot blonde, right?

Reply mydoctor93, February 12th, 2012, 3:04 am

@bennyboy: 1) The Top 2 of the popularity poll in SFC8 were Oehda and Jackie, who both could be considered "villains" by some.

2) Russell was more of a villain protagonist than an anti-hero. The story literally revolved around him, but he didn't really show any "heroic" traits, and actually had a fall at FTC.

Reply bennyboy, February 12th, 2012, 3:30 am

@mydoctor93: 1) The group who read SFC are in no way casual fans of Survivor, evident by the fact that they are reading SFC. These two are exempt from the rule.

2) He had an underdog story - Foa-Foa were all underdogs, and since the story revolved around him, he was the anti-hero of Samoa. And like I said earlier, just because you had a downfall doesn't mean you're a villain.

Reply Slicer37, February 12th, 2012, 6:19 pm

@bennyboy: I agree with you on Russell being an anti-hero in Samoa, but he is defaintly the villian of HvV.

Reply bennyboy, February 12th, 2012, 6:27 pm

@Slicer37: Definitely. At least once he booted Boston Rob. Him winning Fan Favourite a second time is an anomaly unto itself, especially since they made him as unlikeable and hateable as possible (especially so with the Danielle boot - double negative anyone?).

Reply Slicer37, February 12th, 2012, 8:37 pm

@bennyboy: His crazy fan base from Samoa+the fact that he got quadruple the airtime of anyone else in the F6 (and you're not winning FF if you didn't make it to the F6, it's proven).

Reply gejo (Guest), February 17th, 2012, 3:46 am

you cant change your edgic chart retroactively you fuckin cheater. put bonnie back at 1

Reply bennyboy, February 19th, 2012, 1:29 am

@gejo: It's his chart - he can do whatever he wants with it.

Reply Slicer37, February 26th, 2012, 10:57 pm

I think Jo is MORP. But I understand CPP.

Reply Vilecheese, February 27th, 2012, 7:01 pm

@Slicer37: TBH it's a pretty close call between the two.

Reply bennyboy, March 8th, 2012, 12:28 am

Honestly, I'd agree with your ratings 150-200% if it weren't for the fact that you were so incredibly liberal with your double tones. There isn't even such a thing as a triple tone ._. Double-tone is the max, you can't get worse than that unless the contestant /actually/ kills somebody.

Also as much as I'd want Cherman to win, I can see Sanza winning (although it would kinda bring down the season, since the Latrines went from a bunch of underdogs to a bunch of holier-than-thou snobs in only a few episodes, so one of them winning would be like one of "The Friendship" from Big Brother winning all over again).

Reply Vilecheese, March 8th, 2012, 9:09 am

@bennyboy: I think for the most part Sanza avoided becoming holier-than-thou, unlike the rest of his alliance.

And personally I start handing out the triple tones when characters start talking about torturing characters enough for them to want to commit suicide with all seriousness (see Skazz vs Driz). That's just despicable IMO.

Reply bennyboy, March 11th, 2012, 12:23 am

Well, if Sanza goes home tonight, who do you have as a backup winner choice?

Reply Vilecheese, March 11th, 2012, 10:22 am

@bennyboy: Cherman.

Reply bennyboy, March 11th, 2012, 10:25 am

@Vilecheese: I approve x a billion.

Reply Vilecheese, March 11th, 2012, 11:31 am

@bennyboy: Technically he's been edgically eliminated forever ago, but storywise he'd make a million times more sense than the other 3 people.

Reply Feniks, March 12th, 2012, 11:42 am

Eh, I wish Robert, Frank and Cherman would had been in the f5 instead of Sanza, Tofu and Kathy...

Reply Vilecheese, March 12th, 2012, 1:15 pm

@Feniks: Cherman's already in the F5...

Reply Matty777 (Guest), March 12th, 2012, 10:48 pm

I'm Kinda Really Happy Sanza Gone ;D

Reply Vilecheese, March 12th, 2012, 10:49 pm

@Matty777: I would've liked him to lose to Cherman at the F3, but either way I'm pretty glad we're not getting a super obvious winner.

Reply SWSU-Master, March 12th, 2012, 11:03 pm

If Sanza made the F3 he would have won against anybody

Reply Vilecheese, March 12th, 2012, 11:37 pm

@SWSU-Master: Unless Cherman unmasked Bonnie.

Reply Slicer37, March 18th, 2012, 10:37 pm

Phil<333333333.
Kathy<33333333.

I actually have a tendency to love gamebots, I guess :p. I find gamebots really interesting, even if other people think they're boring.

Reply Matty777 (Guest), March 19th, 2012, 6:42 am

I Just Noticed Something... All Of The Final Three Characters Are UTR In The First Episode ;D

Reply Vilecheese, March 19th, 2012, 9:37 am

@Slicer37: I only find them interesting if they have really unique gameplay, personally.

Reply Vilecheese, March 19th, 2012, 9:37 am

@Matty777: None of them had a confessional in ep 1, which no SFC winner has had before.

Reply bennyboy, March 19th, 2012, 11:02 pm

Well, it ain't *ahem* THE BEST GAME IN SFC HISTORY *cough* unless she actually wins the million dollars. Which duh, she won't. I trust Swooso is a good enough writer not to make the villain of the season the winner.

Reply Slicer37, March 19th, 2012, 11:55 pm

The best game in SFC history was Ellise. Duh.

Reply Vilecheese, March 20th, 2012, 10:54 am

@bennyboy: If Cherman doesn't reveal her she will win.

Reply Vilecheese, March 20th, 2012, 10:54 am

@Slicer37: Ellise got votes at the beginning of the season, so no.

I don't count Adrian's vote because Bonnie wanted to get that one.

Reply Slicer37 (Guest), March 20th, 2012, 12:54 pm

@Vilecheese: But Ellise won, and Cherman is gonna reveal Bonnie, so Bonnie will not win.

Bonnie isn't the best player ever, not even close, and you're just saying she is because you're so fusterated by her edit (Don't get me wrong, I am too)

Reply SSBFreak (Guest), March 20th, 2012, 1:02 pm

@ Slicer

I think what Vile is meaning by the "best game in SFC history" is that, no matter what she did, Bonnie's gotten away with everything (so far). Heck, going into the final tribal, she thinks that no one is on to her.

Quite frankly, I think she's comparable to Russell Hantz when you consider her immense screentime, her griefer-style game and want to ruin everyone else's lives (granted, she's a far worse person, but I still think it's pretty comparable). Of course, when you think about how SWSU feels about Russell, I'd think that Bonnie's in for a downfall right at the end.

Reply Vilecheese, March 20th, 2012, 1:11 pm

@Slicer37: What I meant was, up to this current point, her game is the best. If she doesn't win, you'd be correct in saying that her game wasn't the best in total.

I'm glad I'm not the only one frustrated with her edit, though. I mean, check these stats out; they're scary.

Total Confessionals:

1. Baxter - 71
2. Bonnie - 68
3. Marius - 59
4. Gatemaster - 55
5. Montana - 54
...
Tofuchao - 26
Cherman - 19

Average Confessionals:

(0. Bonnie discounting eps before reveal - 6.8)
1. Sephiroth - 6
2. Baxter - 5.071
3. Bonnie - 4.857
4. Russell - 4.5
5. Marius - 4.214
...
Tofuchao - 1.857
Cherman - 1.357

Editing this season XP

Reply SSBFreak (Guest), March 20th, 2012, 1:18 pm

Imagine how many she could have gotten if it hadn't taken her five episodes to get a confessional.

Reply Vilecheese, March 20th, 2012, 2:52 pm

@SSBFreak: Probably 85 or so. :I

Reply Slicer37 (Guest), March 20th, 2012, 3:08 pm

Speaking of statistics, here's vote tallies:

1. Luke: Zero votes cast aganist
2. Miranda: 0 votes cast aganist
3. SFC7 Phil: 1 vote cast aganist
4. Bonnie: 1 vote cast aganist
5. Ventious: 1 vote cast agianst
...
Tofuchao: 2 votes cast aganist
Cherman: 10 votes cast against
...
Skylar: 7 votes cast against
Ellise: 8 votes cast against
Montana: 7 votes cast against
Barney: 11 votes cast against
Marius: 10 votes cast against
Ker: 6 votes cast against
Melanie: 7 votes cast against.

Bonnie= competent Russell x_x.

Reply Vilecheese, March 20th, 2012, 6:58 pm

@Slicer37: And again, the one vote she did get she planned for.

Also Denise, Trent, and Kiara got 0 votes. Betty got 1.

Reply bennyboy, March 21st, 2012, 12:25 am

Sweet, did I call her downfall, or did I call her downfall?

Reply bennyboy, March 21st, 2012, 12:29 am

Also, it's ridiculous getting annoyed by an "edit" - if Prescilla didn't get all the screentime she got, her downfall wouldn't be nearly as satisfying. Sometimes, people have a role in their season, and it wouldn't make the season as good as it is if everyone got equal time. It'd be like reducing Russell's screentime in HvV, when him + Sandra were the absolute stars of the season.

Reply SWSU-Master, March 21st, 2012, 12:29 am

@Vilecheese

I actually had to go out of my way to keep Cherman and Tofuchao's confessional count down. They were meant to be UTR's

Reply bennyboy, March 21st, 2012, 12:37 am

^ That.

Reply Vilecheese, March 21st, 2012, 9:06 am

@bennyboy: I honestly fail to see how having a ridiculous amount of screentime has anything to do with how satisfying that conclusion would've been. I mean, Bonnie would've still been a pure evil conniving wench if she had half as many confessionals.

Reply bennyboy, March 21st, 2012, 9:07 am

@Vilecheese: And that's why you don't edit Survivor episodes.

Reply Feniks, March 21st, 2012, 11:34 am

It was meant to make her very-very hated, I guess.

Reply Vilecheese, March 21st, 2012, 12:20 pm

@bennyboy: ...Do you?

Reply bennyboy, March 21st, 2012, 12:25 pm

@Vilecheese: I'm on a first-name basis with several of the most esteemed names in the Survivor fandom (at least the ones who aren't contestants at least). I'm parroting at least two-three years worth of accumulated knowledge over and over in this comic and in Swooso's comic. I may not edit the show, but I know a lot about it.

(I also had an ex who worked in reality tv, if that's anything extra to go by)

Reply cRaZyKiD9219 (Guest), March 23rd, 2012, 10:55 pm

Bonnies Final Edgic Overall was Epic. NICE!

Man this was such a wonderful Season!

Can't wait for next one Broseph!

BTW My cheese in the Refrigerator turned Blue! Aint that cool!!! :D

Reply Vilecheese, March 23rd, 2012, 11:14 pm

@cRaZyKiD9219: I suppose that makes it vile cheese. *shot*

Reply Slicer37, March 23rd, 2012, 11:25 pm

You must have hated this season...ouch.

Reply Vilecheese, March 23rd, 2012, 11:35 pm

@Slicer37: Mixed feelings.

Reply bennyboy, March 24th, 2012, 1:47 am

Every so often, I think you make some good points, and then you do this. I thought you were better than this =\

Reply Feniks, March 24th, 2012, 1:56 am

Jewel is great, IKR?

Reply bennyboy, March 24th, 2012, 2:10 am

PS: Jewel is the best pre-merge boot. With that I agree.

Reply gejo (Guest), March 24th, 2012, 8:17 am

lol you're so fuckin retarded. thank fuck you don't write survivor fanf-

oh wait you do. lol

Reply Vilecheese, March 24th, 2012, 9:49 am

Hooray, people disagree with me!

Reply Matty777, March 24th, 2012, 10:48 am

Kay, what does Prescilla's rate in the final mean?

Reply Vilecheese, March 24th, 2012, 11:16 am

@Matty777: It means she was edited to be more "just negative" than really OTT or CP or whatever.

Reply bennyboy, April 1st, 2012, 11:53 am

@Matty777: It also means he doesn't understand how edgic works.

Reply Vilecheese, April 1st, 2012, 1:26 pm

@bennyboy: Well that's really nice.

FTR I "officially" have Bonnie as CPN, that's what I told Shadow0Knight I gave her and it'll show up like that in his SFC9 edgic contest. It's just Bonnie pisses me off so I didn't want to give her a real edgic rating as punishment.

Though honestly she does switch between CPN and OTTN so much it's hard to fit her in either category...and no way is she MORN. Negativity is her only real constant.

Reply Slicer37 (Guest), April 1st, 2012, 9:42 pm

I will always stand by Bonnie being CPN.

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